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Is This the End of Sphinn

Friday, 18 January 2008

SEO at war

What is one of the most successful tactics for destroying a community or your opposition?

Full on assault? Unbridled brute force? Slanderous speak? Libelous language?

Well all of the above have their place, but what has been proven to be perhaps the most powerful device time and time again is the implementation of divide and conquer.

Strength comes in unity, so to divide a community and turn it in against itself not only sets comrade against comrade, effectively doing half the job for you, but also leaves them with their defences down, prostrate and ripe for the final death blow. This has a been put to effective use in trade disputes and wars down throughout the ages.

Hold on, Nick. Wind back there a second. Where in the name of John Denver are you going with all this? Divide and conquer? Death blows? It’s all a bit extreme isn’t it?

Well yes it is – and mindlessly reactionary too. Especially when you consider what I’m about to talk about. But then again there’s nothing wrong with a bit of over-the-top reactionary writing every now and then.

“It’s political correctness gone mad…” – Ahem

Well it all comes down to this. This week, over at the internet marketing, SEO, and social media hub that is Sphinn, they announced that they were finally going to put a Desphinn button in place

Woah up there, just one darn minute pardner. Firstly, what the deuce is Sphinn? And secondly, what the Dicken’s is a Desphinn button when it’s sittting in your front room, helping itself to what's left of the Christmas cracking nuts?

Well I’m glad you asked me that question, sir. Feel free to butt in at any time…

Sphinn is a social media website similar in style and purpose to Digg. The difference being here that it is engineered specifically towards the internet marketeer. This umbrella term covers SEO, SMO, SEM, bloggers, social media junkies and copywriters. All are catered for between its lush, greeny-blue pages.  It is the brainchild of Danny Sullivan from Search Engine Land, who incidentally has probably forgotten more about search marketing than some of us will ever know.

Basically it works like this. You register your profile and become a member. This here is me… handsome eh? It’s up to you how much you fill in or whether you choose to have an avatar or not, although avatars are an exceptional way to brand yourself across various social networks and will instill trust in other users, moreso than somebody who doesn’t have one.

Anyway once you’ve become a member you are then free to submit content you find interesting, or more importantly you think will be of interest to other members. Naturally at Sphinn this is generally internet marketing related, whether it be blogging tips, SEO tips, search engine news, social media opinion or anything else that falls under the Sphinn remit.

What then happens is the other members of the community can vote on the particular submission if they like it, or make a comment. This is acheived through the Sphinn button - the big blue chap next to the article’s headline… Still with me?

Enough votes (there is minor disagreement about this, but I’ve always found it to be 21) will put your submission on the front page, or the ‘Hot Topics’ page, and Bob’s your uncle, Fanny’s his live-in lover, Sphinn status beckons.

That’s basically the mechanics of Sphinn as it stands now - there’s also a spam button to report submissions that are clearly off-topic and usually promoting some bit of tat or other, but that’s about it.

So onto this de-sphinn and just what the hell I am getting at. About time too, I hear you cry.

Well the Desphinn button is basically a mechanic by which you will be able to down-vote submissions. It has been thrown out into the arena to get opinions on how it should be implemented and what tweaks could be made. As it stands, it will take 2 Desphinns to remove one sphinn – I should add that a user can only vote once on a submission, unless of course they’ve set up multiple accounts, something that is against the rules and generally looked down upon in social media circles.

If the story reaches the front page then the ratio changes from 2, to 5 Desphinns to remove 1 Sphinn. Basically, 5 down-votes will cancel out 1 vote in favour of.

I hope you’re still with me on this.

There are various other factors that will be taken into account, such as the amount of desphinns needed to discard a story entirely, and whether a post that goes front page can be relegated back to the minor leagues, and possibly leapfrog back and forth between the Premiership and lower divisions like West Bromwich Albion. But that’s for the discussion, which can be found here.

And so to the meat of what this post is about and why I started off rather cryptically, harping on about divide and conquer.

I am pretty much against this feature as I forsee the problems that have enveloped every other social network and have thus far remained absent from Sphinn, taking a hold. Obviously this is solely my opinion and I could be completely off track – I recall being wrong once before – but the problem with other social networks such as Digg with its bury button, or StumbleUpon with its thumbs-up/ thumbs-down system, is that cliques tend to form that look to bury whatever they don’t agree with, whether it’s the content of the actual post or the user who’s submitted it.

SlightlyShadySEO who writes posts that fly a little near to the knuckle for some, voiced his concerns about every one of his submissions standing the chance of being voted down into oblivion because he discusses what might be considered to be ‘Black-hat’ SEO techniques, which a lot of people disagree with and take a firm stand against.

Even though the identity of those using the Desphinn will be there for all to see, and they‘ll have to provide a comment as to why they down-voted, I think the whole concept smacks of negativity and will only succeed in dividing what at the moment is an exceptional community; largely free of the trolls and ill feeling that have seeped their poison into many other social networks.

Okay. 'Conquer' was a bit extreme, as I honestly don’t think Danny and the Sphinn staff are looking to destroy the community they’ve worked so hard to build. And as for the title, that's just a bit of reactionary linkbait, but I think such a feature will in the long run draw a dividing line in the sand.

Will the time come when you  have to pick a side?

I’m probably wrong – as I said, it happened once before – and I hope I am, but as they say: only time will tell.

I'd be chuffed to hear what anybody else thinks.

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Comments

Some people already say there are "sides" in why some stories go hot, so you could argue that Desphinns are a tool to keep things in balance as the community continues to grow.

Personally, I think we need to try it for a variety of reasons, if only to ensure people who disagree with a story don't vindictively use the spam button instead.

I think the key difference with us and Digg or other sites is that Desphinns will be public. In addition, despite debates within Sphinn, we have a community that is largely respectful of each other. These things make me think Desphinn will be used lightly and in an appropriate manner. If not, we'll change it up.
Danny Sullivan on Friday, 18 January 2008 13:07
I think you're right to be concerned, but I also think Danny & the team are on the case and if it gets ugly they'll fix it.

I can just imagine people whose posts receive desphinns taking it as a personal slight and looking to return the favour. Unfortunately, tit-for-tat stuff like that has a habit of escalating pretty quickly.
Gavin Mitchell on Friday, 18 January 2008 13:32
I think the whole debate has become divisive because the thinking is linear. The measure is [Sphinns - Desphinns]. So the side conditions must be made onerous so that not too many Desphinns are made. This polarizes the debates (conflicts).

This will still leave no room for those who don't think the Sphinn was deserved but don't want to make a big thing about it. What you might call the Ho-Hummers?

I still think if they show both measures, the Sphinns and the Desphinns (the Ho-Hums), then you get a better appreciation of how opinions divide. It doesn't need to affect the Going Hot process (Published). However I guess there's some reason why this approach doesn't seem to be getting through.
Barry Welford on Friday, 18 January 2008 15:43
Nick, I believe I understand what you mean by the divisions and uncertainty that "buries" and "down votes" have caused in the site you mention (Reddit also seems to suffer from this as well). However, Sphinn seems to be focused and collegial enough that I think it could weather any problems. I also like Danny's comments above - he seems to be sensitive to the possible negative effects of a DeSphinn.

Wait and see, that's my opinion.
Mark Dykeman on Friday, 18 January 2008 16:03
One of the better written pieces I've come across lately. You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
Eschaefer on Friday, 18 January 2008 18:27
First off, thanks for the mention :-)

Second, @Mark. There's a lot of things that go on there(which I am not a party to, but know the happenings of) that are not so collegial. When it all comes down to it, everyone there is some form of marketer. Sphinns are not always given for the right reason. Not by a long shot.

By and large, the community(I believe) plays by the rules, but there's room for this to get messy.
SlightlyShadySEO on Friday, 18 January 2008 21:43
@Danny - As I said, this is in no way a dig at you or the Sphinn team. I just think that the best way to counter the admittedly sensationalist worst-case scenario that I described, is to get doubts out in the open so that the relevant safeguards can be put in place to prevent anything reaching a point of no return. Many thanks for dropping by here.

@Gavin - Agreed. That's exactly what I was getting at. I too have faith in the Sphinn team implementing the correct course of action to nip any perceived pettiness in the bud before it escalates to irrepairable proportions. After all, they put a lot of time and energy into building Sphinn up from the ground into what it is today. Thanks for your comments.

@Barry - I forsee you not resting until the day that Ho-Hum button is put in place ;-). I see what you're getting at, but wouldn't the actual act of pressing a Ho-Hum button transform you from passive disapproval (as it stands now) to 'making a big thing about it'? Just some thoughts. Thanks, as always, for your comments.

@Mark - I'm hugely appreciative of Danny's comments too, and it shows he has his fingers on the pulse by the very fact he has taken the time to address certain concerns. I agree with what you say about Sphinn being focused enough to weather any storm, but it must be said that it only takes a few rotten apples lurking in the barrel to ruin it for all the others. That's why it's important to get these things out in the open now. Appreciate the contribution, Mark.

@Escheafer - I'm glad you enjoyed it. Many thanks.
Nick James on Friday, 18 January 2008 21:58
@Shady - That's exactly what I'm saying about the few rotten apples. It could get messy if concerns aren't broached from the offset. I think that the Sphinn team have enough ammo to ensure that this doesn't happen. I have every faith in them. Thanks for dropping by again, Shady.
Nick James on Friday, 18 January 2008 22:17

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